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Anyone else think the invisible thing is kind of lame? Hopefully, he is a really epic character with some great reason to be invisible.
First Comment!! :D
damn it! X_X
Looks like Locke.
Its Locke in a different timeline...a timeline where his father never messed with him and he never lost his hair!
So who is this Jacob? He looked to me like Ron Perlman but Lindelof and Cuse already said no, it's not him. And why is he invisible? I sort of think he's a manifestation of Ben.
1) Jacob and Richard look like they are wearing clothes from the 19th century (Former members of the Black Rock?)
2) Why doesn't Richard age?
3) Who does Jacob need help from? Ben? Is Ben holding him hostage?
4)I dont think that was gunpowder, surrounding jacob's house, if it was lit, it just make a pretty show and do no damage. I think its more like a circle of protection.
What the heck does he have on his head? Does kinda look like Locke. Not sure the chin is right.
Looks like a monkey on his shoulder to me.
where can you find these 11 frames within the jacob scene???
Jacob is John Locke (possibly from a time shift).
That last screen capture of Jacob looks a lot like Locke with hair/a wig. The high forehead and the scruffy chin *really* look like Locke's features.
Looks like Alvar Hanso
I think it's Desmond -- almost certain. But Locke is definitely the right call, I think.
Locke probably couldn't see him because its himself. It's gettin' kinda crazy.
What the heck IS that thing coming out of his head? Almost looks like he was shot in the head and that was the exit wound.
its not Locke, remember Ben can see him. Dont you think he would have been a little reluctant to shoot the island Locke if Jacob looked like Locke...?
Looks like the guy who played Whistler in the Blade movies
beckstar:
Ben holds onto to Jacobs chair and says something like, you've have your fun now, and Ben is thrown back against the wall. Next couple frames you see Jacob. I didn't catch it all the first time but if you know where to watch you'll see him.
Could have been a scene out of Carrie.
he wouldn't be reluctant if to shoot Locke if he thought Locke wasn't a threat to him. Because of the likeness of them Ben may consider him a threat and obviously "help me" is a big deal.
'Jacob' could be Alvar Hanso. Founder of the great Dharma Initiative. Bear with me, as it's only a theory:
The "natives" or "hostiles" lived on the island relatively as minimalists. They were aware of the power the island had but lived in harmony with it. Enter the Dharma Initiative, a technological group put on the island with hopes to harness the energy of the island, for reasons I can't yet formulate.
Threatened by this, and with the help of young Ben, who over the years helped smuggle the means of overthrowing Dharma, do just that. They kill everyone except Alvar Hanso, whose communion with the island is great, and is greatly amplified by the use of technology.
Thus, they take Hanso hostage. He "feels the way Locke does about technology" not because he truly feels that way, but rather access to this technology would greatly advance his ability to escape.
Though why they would keep him hostage, I'm not sure. Maybe Ben can harness Jacob's communion with the island (his power) to keep the Others following him. This could be why Ben is threatened by Locke, who seems to hold a very similar comminuion with the island.
it looks like a cat on his shoulder or something.
Maybe the reason why Locke can't initially see him is that Jacob is caught in a time slip, phasing in and out of our "time" and that's what he needs help from.
Maybe those who can see through the time slip are the special ones, like Ben and Locke.
Its def. Locke, looks just like him when he had hair !!
It's not hair, it's a hood, and it's Locke
its hair, but like someone else mentioned, what is that on the side of his head? i don't think its a bullet exit wound but I can't think of anything else it could be either.
He looks like Mike from Locke's first flashback from Season 3.
But whoever he is, he is creepy as hell. If I was on an island and found this creepy shack in the middle of the jungle and this guy was inside...yeah..........
yeah... just set it on fire, show over :P
I think Jacob is wearing an old 19th century wig, that curls at the temple and ends in a ponytail
Like these
http://www.costumewigsdirect.com/colonial-man-wigs.htm
the chin looks like Tom/Zeke's chin
I've been saying it!
Jacob is not JOHN Locke, Jacob is JACOB Locke, John's twin brother, the BAD TWIN! Think about it.
Why is Locke so important to the Island? Because it's supposed to belong to him. It's his birthright.
Jacob stole it from him a long time ago.
It's either Terry O'Quinn or Dennis Hopper.
Looks like Locke done up as Jesus if He were living in the 19th Century... or just a 19th Century ancestor of Locke's who was probably on the Black Rock when it ran aground on this time-warped island. Richard Alpert most likely was also an original inhabitant. I believe that he actually has been on the island for centuries, back to the time of the 4-toed statue and the other ruins (column Locke's dad was tied to, etc) This is why he hasn't aged in the 30-40 years since Ben first met him. If Locke lives, maybe he's a reincarnated ancient as well!
it looks like it has two eyes and ears. a cat or dragon maybe??
My initial thought was Locke too but I think it might actually be Ben. Ben's "bad twin", other personality, maybe even the good twin, more than likely a manifestation of Ben's warped mind.
Locke
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-100.html
Ben
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-879.html
Without reading previous posts - I think it's Desmond.
Sorry dudes, I really don't think it's Locke. I took a screen cap of Locke with his head turned a similar way. The noses are too different. Locke's nose points straight outward from his lip, and slopes very smoothly. It's not as bulbous, either.
Is that the cat from the Flame Station on his shoulder?
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1250-743.html
Desmond - look at the nose and chin
Jacob is, like richard, from the Black Rock. Could be Alvar hanso's great grandfather or the like, but the lantern and the clothing Richard was wearing clinched it for me.
he looks like Locke with a fake hair on
its locke! oh my.
just look at that forehead! its the same as his.
the only reason why he doesnt look identical to locke is cause there's a shadow around the mouth area that makes it look like he has fuller lips, but if you hide that and take off the hair, its clearly him!!!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Satyr1138/LockeJacob-2.jpg
ok, so, Locke could have a twin. Then Cooper's statement about not raising any dummies would make more sense. Course, he didn't actually raise Locke, so nevermind. That was a stupid line coming from Cooper, then, wasn't it?
Definately not Locke.
Didn't the producers say Jacob is somebody we've never seen anyway?
You know what... it does look like Locke. I've been denying it for about 10 minutes looking at these pictures... but it really looks like Locke. But man... that's an UGLY-ASS wig.
Maybe I'm just holding out hope Terry O'Quinn won't be going away :)
And the fact they said 'help me' would change his course on the island... I don't think they meant 'end' it.
Earlier in the scene, right after Locke hears, "help me", there were a few frames of Jacob showning his profile from the other side. When I paused it, I thought that Jacob had the same scar on his cheek that Locke has.
Did anyone else notice this? Does anyone have a screen shot?
He's not invisible, he's a specter trapped within the ash ring!
Ben can't hear Jacob, he wanted to see how gullible lock was so he is pretending to. Locke however can, that's what freaks Ben out.
looks like Billy Connolly ala Boondock Saints
stfan831 said...
Earlier in the scene, right after Locke hears, "help me", there were a few frames of Jacob showning his profile from the other side. When I paused it, I thought that Jacob had the same scar on his cheek that Locke has.
Did anyone else notice this? Does anyone have a screen shot?
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Except that is Locke from another angle (bald), not jacob.
Jacob looks like David Crosby.
I think it is Locke's father. Remember his insane mother said he was immaculately conceived?
This is so freaky!
Nah, it's not Desmond. His nose is way more prominent than Jacob's.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/657/shadowedjacoblostrf5.jpg for HDTV screen captures.
I'm not so interested in if its Locke or not. What I want to know is whats on Jacob's shoulder? It looks like either a cat or a monkey.
It looks like Jack's father to me.
I think Locke can't see Jacob because he coudn't kill his father like Ben did.
DARK UFO is my hero.
People, there is nothing on Jacob's shoulder. That's just light and shadow on a bad curly wig.
I think he looks like Jack's father!
The "whistler from blade" comment was funny - but the reason Locke cant see him is because he didn't kill his father, Sawyer did. And I bet Sawyer can see Jacob. Thats when Ben knew that Locke was a liar when he said "you cant see him?". But I am thrown off by Jacob possibly talking to Locke.
In Harry Potter they have flying horses (thestrals) that can only be seen by someone who has seen death or experienced it via a close family member. Its not the same but who knows.
Im also in the time travel theory line of thinking...
he was not pissed or anything till locke pulled out a flashlight.. maybe he is stuck in the light... a flaw off an experiment...
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Locke IS NOT Jacbob...
I believe the following image shows that Jacob IS NOT Locke, as I am 100% certain this is his eye (these are 2 frames that quickly appear two seconds after the half-body Jacob scene...)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6076/capturecopy2uj9.jpg
Right after Ben is thrown away to the wall by Jacob, the half-top-body Jacob scene flashes by, then we se a close-up of Locke's frightened face (gray eyes), then we get a quick shot of Ben's face (blue eyes), and then, for a fraction of a second, we see those dark/blackish eyes on a yet closer shot of... Jacob
It looks like it could be a HOOD and not hair. It really looks like John Locke with a hood on and goatee.
I still say it is a monkey or a cat. It is not his hair. Its about 4-6 inches to his left. And It doesn't look like a hat. It looks like an animal I tell you.
It aint Locke, Ben or Desmond. The nose is very different.
I cant exactly make out who is this actor...but I think Jacob is the captain of the Black Rock.
"I'm sorry you are so limited you cannot see him."
"Only fools are enslaved by time and space."
Jacob isn't physicaly there in the conventional sense, that's why he's "invisible".
The ring looked like ashes to me. In any way such rings are a way of keeping someone or something either inside or outside the circle in magic. So it's possibly a defense, or Jacob is trapped there and that's why he's asking for help...
The invisible thing was anticlimatic tough...almost lame.
Oh, P.S.: He looks like Charles Manson. :P
"but I think Jacob is the captain of the Black Rock."
Then it would fit the whole pirate with a monkey image.
Here is another version of the screencap with the gamma cranked up. A few more details pop out.
You can see the 'hair' a lot better and it appears to be shoulder length.
click
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/752/shadowedjacobloshighgaman1.jpg
Its Ben look at the nose
it really looks like Christian Shepard
Wasn't Christian's hair straight when it was long though?
Anyone think it could be Brother Campbell somehow? He has a Locke-shaped head and similar scruff.
http://lost.about.com/od/photosbyepisode/ig/Lost-3x17-Photos/Brother_Campbell.htm
it looks like locke with long hair
i agree with Sergio it looks to me like Kris Kristofferson who played Whistler in Blade. that was my first thought when i saw him. Also he live in Hawaii in real life so it would be easy for them to recruit him for the role
The Picture in the link Chris supplied at 11:09 really shows the hair very well. It also shows that there is something on Jacobs' shoulder. The shadow on his chest could not be made from his chin. It has to be a shadow made from the cat looking thing on his shoulder. To me it looks like a cats profile, not really a monkey.
To quote someone else's post:
I'm sorry you are so limited you cannot see him."
"Only fools are enslaved by time and space."
Jacob isn't physicaly there in the conventional sense, that's why he's "invisible".
I'm going to add to that...
1)His clothing is definitely from olden days; pirate days.
2)Ben said that Jacob "feels the same way as you do about TECHNOLOGY", because....
people from long ago/really old, do not trust/like technologies.
3)This definitely solidifies the time/space thing...he's phasing in and out.
4)That isn't Locke himself, but maybe Locke is somehow a descendant of this pirate that's trapped.
Science/new technology vs. ancient ways..opposites.
I totally know who that is!! I am VERY good (uncanny, party-trick good) at faces and I know what actor this is. But I just don't want to say because everyone will go, "No it isn't!" or, "Who's that?" and I will be frustrated that no one else can see that it is definitely him.
same nose with brother campbell. plus the outfit resembles a monk.
maybe he's at nirvana and his soul can travel back/ forth in time or just teleports.
HEY!
Who here remembers Locke with two different-colored Eyes?
So maybe that's why the close-ups of Jacob have brown eyes IF it is Terry O'Quinn there, yah?
It's KEVIN COSTNER come back from WATERWORLD !
It looks like and older version of Richard. Maybe that is why the version that is visible to everyone is still as young as the version young Ben saw. The forehead is the same.
not saying that it is locke, just a frame of reference.
http://www.havocfilms.com/lost/jacoblocke01.jpg
I really hope its not, but there is a possibility its jacks dad. saw this photo and there are certainly a few resemblances between the jacob image and this one http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:AnaMeetsChristian.jpg
I know who the Monkey is on his shoulder!
It's JOOP!!!!!!!!
At first I thought it was Mr. Friendly aka Tom. But the more I look at it I see Locke!
Not so much of a comment as a question... Did anyone get a screencap of Jacob's eye? I'm glad I Googled LOST Screencaps and got the link to Blogger and now have an account! Wanting to find out who Jacob's portrayer is, is making me crazy-ER! LOL Namaste!
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:AlvarHansoProfile.jpg
If you look at his head I can definitely see the hair, but I also see a large concave oval shape at his temple. Supposing that Jacob is dead and that's why he's invisible, could it make sense that the oval thing is a gaping head wound -- one that could have killed him? Looks like it to me!
Jacob looks and sounds like the guy that was in the hatch with Desmond. The one who was planning on leaving the island with the boat.
I seriously hope it's not terry o'quinn as jacob. however I can see in some of the comparisons that it could be. the foreheads and chin shape is very similar. the noses look different, but as I write this there is a pic of o'quinn looking face forward and I could see how the shadows could hit the structure of his nose to be pretty close to that of jacob. also, the so-called cat-monkey-dragon that on his shoulder...it looks like the profile of a capuchin monkey, like the critter from pirates of the caribbean. I can see the profile of the face and the highlight on an ear. or it's just dust. if jacob has ties to the blackrock, that would be amazing.
ben apparently has the ability to see and control the dead(?) makes me wonder about him having walt kidnapped. maybe he thought walt would be able to see jacob too? they really should finish that story line. they created that whole thing about walt having "powers" and then shipped him off the island without a payoff.
danielle gave locke the gun because she knows what her "father" is capable of. and on his birthday/anniversary of every bad thing ever associated with ben? puh-lease that dude's a psycho freak.
kelvin? desmond smashed the back of his head in on the rock...
My friends and I have a theory -- there are Ben's ppl (Dharmans), Richard's ppl ("hostiles", natives, perhaps not aging), Jack's ppl (the ones we know and love), as well as dead ppl (Jacob, whispers, ppl who don't leave tracks, Jack's dad, etc). Ben killed all of his ppl to join with Richard's, but became the leader because of his ability to see dead ppl and perhaps due to his help to exterminate the Dharmans. Now Jack's ppl are warring against Richard's ppl just like Dharmans were warring against them 30+ yrs ago. And everyone is running scared from the dead ppl. Thoughts?
He looks like The Most Interesting Man in the World.
I don't know what this means but the close up shot of the eyes, or eye. It's brown. We know Ben and Locke don't have brown eyes. But, to me, It looks like Sayid. I'm not saying in any way that Jacob is Sayid, just saying the eye looks like his. Any thoughts?
I agree with Sergio.
It is not Locke. Ben can see him. Wouldn't Ben had told John-you look exactly like my buddy Jacob?
Jacob looks like Dennis Hopper.
It looks like Ben's father to me. Maybe a Norman Bates thing going on?
Jacob = Uncle Rico?
Didn't Hurley and crew find Ben's father (the "Workman") when they found the VW van full of beer?
I think Jacob is Alvar Hanso. Here's why: Way back in the Season 2 episode, "The Hunting Party," Mr. Friendly (when drawing the line that was not to be crossed) told Jack and the 815'ers that "somebody a whole lot smarter than anybody here", said that "from the dawn of our species man's been blessed with curiosity." This "somebody" must be Jacob, and we know for certain from the Lost Experience that these words were spoken by Alvar Hanso to the U.N. Security Council in 1967.
The photo even looks like him. I'll admit, there is a Lock resemblance too, but Alvar Hanso has got the chin beard perfectly. See http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso
Plus, that is not a wig, hood, or real hair on his head. It's Joop. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop
I'm not sure why Hanso would ask Locke to "help me" though. I'm not sure that there is a way we could possibly know yet.
They found his body, but Jacob is obviously not corporal.
Yeah, Ben's dad is "Roger Work Man"
I don't think that Jacob is any of the characters that we already know. We are stretching this too far. I think "Jacob" is "Jacob", not "John", not "Ben", not "Desmond", etc...
If Jacob is another person that already exists by another name, I think that he is Alvar Hanso.
Open up 2 browser widows side by side and compare these 2 photos. This is a pretty good likeness (I think):
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:AlvarHansoProfile.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/752/shadowedjacobloshighgaman1.jpg
The nose matches, the lips match and the head seems to match (if you remove Alvar's thinning hair in the front).
I agree with you about Jacob looking like Dennis Hopper, boston! Yep, Hurley and friends found Roger Work Man in the Dharma van. Last night's show answered a lot of questions, but it started up even more and I Loved It!
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Talk:Jacob
That link has a screen cap of Jacob's eye. Not sure who the heck it is, but glad to finally find it.
I don't think Jacob is Desmond, but I think there is an interesting metaphorical connection between Jacob being trapped in a ring of ash or salt or whatever it may be, and Desmond refering to the Island as a Bloody Snowglobe that he can't get out of.
Whose eyes are those in the close up during the last few seconds of the clip? Are they Ben's?
It's Kris Kristofferson but not from from Blade... From Millenium. That movie was all about time travel and airplanes. THINK ABOUT IT!
Also, this post is in Jest.
To comment on a few things:
Yes Boston, if I am remebering correctly, Hurly did find a body in the VW when they found the van. I wondering if anyone can verify this. If therre wasn't a body then where did it go? Personally that leads me to my second thought which was, I saw Jacob as looking like Roger when I saw it. So I agree with Tony. And we do know that there is a history of "dead" being visible on the island. Ben seems afraid of Jacob, and wouldn't you be too if you killed your father and you could still see him. I also saw the man (forgot his name) who was there the day Ben was born, and then later first to greet them at Dharma as a possible Jacob. Even in his death, Ben had enough respect for him to close his eyes.
I also found several of your photos posted as interesting particularily Chris, http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/752/shadowedjacobloshighgaman1.jpg and also Eric's, http://www.havocfilms.com/lost/jacoblocke01.jpg put side by side on my computer I do agree there is more features that Jacob and Locke share then not. With shadowing and not having an exact profile of Locke, it's hard to say. However one thing I did see was that the lover cupping on both noses is almost exact. So yes it being Locke is a good possibility too. I don't see the animal you are refering too on the shoulder, but in Chris's photo the actual clothing that makes up the photo more appears to have a fox facing straight outward. ;) Personally I think the whole animal thing means nothing.
Final comments on it being other characters we know, I think it is Not Desmond, the guy in the hatch with him, or Alvar Hanso (his nose is too flat. I also don't think it looks enough like Christian either. I did however find the Brother Campbell theory interesting.
Finally as for comments on actors playing Jacob: Yes, Jacob looks like Dennis Hopper, but even more like Kris Kristoferson. And who do you think it looks like 7ate9? I am dying to know.
I think that's all I had for now.
Jodi
Nothing is on his shoulder. I just played with the picture in photo shop and it is his hair.
Given the crazy wig Jacob is wearing, I'm guessing there is a connection with the Black Rock that we're missing.
That hairdo is from the same era as a slave ship.
Thoughts?
Jacob looks like Danny Pickett (played by Michael Bowen).
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0100889/
Doesn't anyone else think that Jacob looks like Locke with a wig?
It does kinda look like Lock with a wig. But im hoping its not. I think it might be Alvar Hanso. Same hair as alvar hanso and the beard. But Jacobs forehead looks too round, more like Locks.
I think it looks like a combo of Locke, Sawyer and Picket
BUT
JACOB HAS BROWN EYES IN THE SLO MO
and if i am correct none of those actors do.
it looks like he has a cat on his shoulder but in the close up it looks like a hole on the side of his head
There was a body in the van.
Do some photo shopping on the stills and enlarge and remove the hair. Then google Terry and MIB has some profile shots.
It's Locke
looks like Kris Kristofferson!
so this "ash perimeter" could it be the flying black monster thing??
I made the claim here yesterday that it is Clancy Brown's Kelvin Joe Inman. Coupled with the voice-clip above, I'm 99% certain.
Think about it. It makes sense. Ben took him captive after his tussle with Desmond. Ben was on his way from Otherton to meet with Inman on 9/22/04. He was delayed by witnessing the plane break up, and when he got there he found Inman busted up but alive. He took him captive -- a position he'd never had before. That was when Ben's power finally overcame Jacob's. That's why he went to disable the Swan station -- Jacob's lair. As long as Jacob/Inman had the power to end the world, Ben was his slave. Ben/Henry had to convince Locke to stop pushing the button after he'd safely locked up Inman/Jacob in the cabin. If Jacob/Inman were free when the sky turned purple, he could blame Ben and the Others would kill Ben. With Jacob/Inman incapacitated, Ben could allow the Swan to collapse, the sky to turn purple and claim that it was all Jacob's Will with no counter from Jacob.
Desmond did what Ben couldn't do: defeat Jacob. Inman/Jacob's temporary incapacitation was the key to Ben's rise to absolute power over the Others. What he lacked was the power over the Island that Jacob had. When Locke threatened his power over the Others, Ben had to shoot him.
What Ben neglects is that the Island will prevent Locke's death, just as it prevented Jacob's/Inman's on the rocks.
The post referencing how the scene in the cabin was like the movie Carrie made me recall the book that the Others (Juliette, Ben, et al) were reading at their book group was Stephen King's Carrie (just before the crash of Oceanic 815)
I think the eyes near the end of the slow-mo are Ben's. You see Ben's entire face and he looks at Locke like he's shocked. Then you see Ben's eye up close go from looking at Locke to looking at Jacob.
The significance of the close-up is for the audience think from the eyes of Ben. Ben just realized that Jacob resembles Locke. He never really thought of it before, because he's never seen the two at the same time (so close together).
My first thought was that Jacob is Mangus Hanso. He was the captain of the Black Rock. On the blast door map, it shows "the final resting place of Mangus Hanso." But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's dead. Plus Jacob doesn't like technology- I think it's safe to say that someone as old as Mangus might not like it either and prefer the way things were in what would have been his natural life time.
I think he kind of looks like Lance Hendrickson, to tell you the truth.
Jacob = Jack's dad.......
Dennis Hopper?
funny... now that I've seen the screencaps, this guy keeps popping into my head as the actor portraying jacob:
http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonseven/703JereBurns.jpg
in the close up it looks like there's something tied around his head...I have no idea what that would be though.
Jacob: Alvar Hanso w/ Joop on his shoulder.
If you examine the pic closely, you can see that Jacob has a blonde goatee, and blonde hair right at the top of his head, just like Alvar Hanso. See http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:AlvarHansoProfile.jpg
Also, Alvar Hanso has brown eyes, just like the third set of eyes shown in the close-ups that apparently belong to Jacob. See http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Eye.png
Back to the hair. It is blonde at the top, but notice how there is an outline where it suddenly becomes very dark. I don't think that is a shadow b/c it comes too close to his face. Plus the "hair" outline looks like a face itself, and becomes lighter at certain points. I think it does indeed look like an orangutan sitting on Jacob's shoulder, and if so, it must be Joop:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop
Joop was the major breakthrough of the Hanso Foundation’s Life Extension Project — which raises a very interesting connection with all of the hints the episode dropped regarding Richard Alpert not aging.
The following is from lostpedia's Joop page:
“Joop, who is also referred to as “experimental subject 626,” was originally “harvested by British explorers in the early 1900s.” On September 21, 2005, Joop celebrated his 105th birthday, which was called a milestone in the Life Extension Project by the Hanso Foundation.”
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“Harvested by British explorers”??? Such as, say, British explorers travelling on a certain 18th Century slave ship called the Black Rock, with a homeport of Portsmouth, England, which just happened to be captained by one Magnus Hanso??
Perhaps all of this is off the wall, but I see some connections here.
Remember in the films that Locke was watching. The guy gazing out the office window? Everyone said he looked like Locke!
How can we be sure the filtered image wasn't just someone taking Locke's pick and photoshopping his face on to Jacob's and then just lightening the pic?
Is there any way for us to find out exactly what filters were used so we can do it for ourselves?
Since it's obviously difficult to hear Jacob speak I wonder if Jacob could be what John Locke sounds like to someone that is not in tune with the "ghost". My theory is that "Jacob" is "Johnlocke"!!!!
The guy in the picture has a crook in his nose. It looks like it might have been broken at one time.
Alvar looks nothing like that. He is nice looking w/a nice straight nose.
i wonder. he has a shine coming off of his head from where the light is hitting him, would that happen on a ghost? i think he must really be there, i'm going with the time theory. bet ben's back REALLY hurt after beign thrown like that!
If you look under "others" in the recent screecaps section, the sixth picture shows a man standing with the others when Ben is testing John that is a spitting image of Jacob from last night. I'm not saying the anonymous other is actually Jacob, but the actor could be the same.
That image that has been cleaned up with "Processing filters" is fake someone just put Locke's face over it. Its impossible to do that type of processing and show that amount of detail from a pictures where the face is pure black in the original frames maybe on CSI :). They darkened the face for a reason so we couldn't see who/what it is. Its fake for sure i know a lot about image processing.
At first glance it looks like Locke to me, though it could also be Alvar Hanso. It's possible he's broken his nose between now and then.
Could Alvar be Locke's real father? Or was it established that Cooper was indeed his biological dad?
In any case I think the fuzzy shape near the head...is Smokey.
I think it's ashes around the cabin. I vaguely remember from Anne Rice novels and that Skeleton Key movie that a line of ashes can serve as a barrier against evil (great sources, I know). Though is it meant for keeping evil out or trapping it within?
Agreed with karted, it's a photoshop...
it looks like dennis hopper.
I don't think that Richard, Jacob or any of them are directly from the Black Rock. My guess is that they are descended from people who came on the Black Rock. We know that people born off-island age on the island so my guess is that the people born on island do not age past a certain point. Thus Richard's non-aging in 30+ years.
As for Jacob I do not think it is Locke in an alternate timeline. I think it is some manifestation of the island.
D&C said that Jacob was to Lost as the Emperor is to Star Wars... Not sure what to make of that but it seems like it could be useful.
It seems pretty obvious to me that whomever it is, they are tied up. Notice that he is leaning a bit forward in the chair and his shoulders indicate that his arms are not just at his sides but pulled a bit backwards?! The hair in the back looks like the typical pirate poneytail that was common in that period. And it looks like a monkey (like in Pirates of the Carribean) on his shoulder.
Whomever it is, he is bound and can't move physically. It looks like many typical pirates with monkeys on their shoulders and the monkey has some kind of hat or scarf also... Could be locke...could be someone else altogether. What we DO KNOW for SURE is that the writers keep making stuff up as they go along so anything that might be right can be changed to suit them anytime they like. So we may all be right and the writers just decide to change it to mess with us... remember, ben was only supposed to be a bit part and get killed off, but now he's the main character of the show...seems awfully contrived to me :(
Looks like a cat in his shoulder.
Will people stop talking about Joop being there? A full-grown orangutan is not gonna fit on a man's shoulder, as it'd be as large (if not larger) and much heavier than the average human male.
I swear, some lost fans will toss just about any idea at the wall to see if it sticks.
Definetely Locke in the updated picture!
HOLY CRAP!!
I can't believe I missed the shot of Jacob sitting in the chair. I guesss I was pretty convinced that Ben was indeed a TOTAL nut job when this happened.
I like the idea of the reason Locke doesn't see him because it is him. Lends more possibility to the "Snow Globe" Theory being correct. However, that might have more to do space curvature than time.
Well Jamie, you obviously must have a better theory. So lets hear it.
that is not locke. lockes nose looks completely different.
hahaha, it does look like denis hopper. that's funny
its kelvin, i thought that straight away, it is definatly his voice, and ive been thinking henry told locke back in the hatch he came for him, and the lockdown thing happened, and their was only kelvin and desmond who knew how to lockdown the hatch... i hope this is true, we never really saw kelvin dead and im sure we have seen the scene he died at before and his body wasnt their...
what if Jacob was able to speak and show himself for a moment because he actually gained power form the technology - flashlight. Ben has isolated him, ringed the property with soemthing that prevents Jacob from crossing it, escaping. He is patiently waiting for Jacob to die,to be drained of all power. Maybe if he could suck up enough power from other sources- batteries, then everyone would see and hear him.
I was pretty excited at first because I thought I recognized Jacob as actor Gregory Itzin, whom most people would know as President Logan on '24' (though not me as I don't watch '24'), but whom I remember as Magistrate Higgins from 'Firefly'.
However, after comparing several side-by-side pics, I'm not so sure anymore. Not ready to say 100% that it's not him, but I'm not as positive as I was.
It also kind of looks like Harris Yulin, another '24' actor apparently, but to me he'll always be Quentin Travers from 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'.
As for what's sitting on his shoulder, I don't think there IS anything on his shoulder. Just hair and shadows. And it's sure as hell not an orangutan. I'm a zoo keeper and I can assure you that an adult male orangutan would be much too large and heavy to sit on anyone's shoulder. Oliver, our male orangutan at my zoo, ways over 250lbs.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That enhanced image is FAKE!
there is no compresion artifacting around lockes face!!!!!
To me, at this angle -- Jacob looks like Locke:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-516.html
The scar on his cheek is the same scar that Locke has.
well :P its Locke. with sum form of monkey! with a wig?
it could be jacob a twin of locke :S and thus thats why they are so connect with the island
ITS CLEARLY DENNIS HOPPER!!!!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000454/
i agree with karted, you can't get that much detail out of a shadow, the top pic is fake. the bottom pic really looks like locke though. and jami's right, you're not gonna fit joop on ur shoulder lol. it's not a cat either... i'm big on cats and they hate being on "moving" ground, like an unsteady shoulder... plus most adult cats wouldn't fit... although my kittens used to sit on my shoulder sometimes, but not still... the cat woulda ran away when locke and ben arrived... trust me, i know cats... its just his messy hair... i mean its not like he'd brush it.
having said that, i'm in ireland so i won't see this episode until monday.
anyone seen the silent hill movie? where the little girl's evil thoughts made her manufest an evil form of herself? its kinda a twist on the evil twin theory... :)
Joop is too big to fit on someone's shoulder.
if you go to www.hansofoundation.org and look at the picture of alvar hanso it appears to be the same guy as jacob. although i was under the impression it was locke too until now
ooh ooh, cat guy again, one more thing, i dont mean anything by it but the close up of the eye looks a helluva lot like jack's? not sure if its the same colour though...?
I can see some similarities to Locke but I really think and hope it's not someone we've seen on the show already. Why do people want to believe it's someone we've already met?
sorry wrong website: www.thehansofoundation.org
I think it's Dennis Hopper
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/0/0b/290px-DennisHopperJackNicholson.jpg
I'm not completely sold that Jacob is Locke (or Locke's twin), but there are some similarities between the two. I just can't be 100% positive.
Here are some pics I played around with. And you can lighten a pic, a child can do it using photoshop. Here I lightened the pic and sharpened the edges. Then I added a few transparent pics of Locke to the background so you get a better idea of his profile against Jacob's profile. I couldn't find any good profile pics of Hanso, but what I did see, his chin isn't as strong as Jacob's, so I didn't feel the need to pursue the idea of him being Jacob.
Second image is the same, I just placed one of Locke's images over Jacob's face.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mommy2mycutie2/shadowedjacobloshighgaman1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/mommy2mycutie2/shadowedjacobloshighgaman2.jpg
I have looked at all of the photos that everyone posted.
When I watched the episode last night, I initially thought Jacob was Dennis Hopper.
When I first looked at the screencap that was posted here this morning, I thought Jacob looked like Locke.
After reviewing all of the photos that everyone has posted, I think that the most compelling photo was that of Alvar Hanso. The 2nd most compelling being Brother Campbell. I like the Brother Campbell theory, but his features do not match up properly, especially the lips.
People keep mentioning that it appears that Jacob has a "crooked" or "broken" nose. I do not think that this is the case at all. Take a closer look. It is a shadow being cast on his nose that makes it look curved. It is not curved. His nose is very straight. The strange shadow on the ridge of his nose is being caused by whatever is on the side of his head or on his shoulder as others have mentioned. Look at the cup of his nostril, it is a perfect match to Hanso's.
Look at the shadow on his nose. This makes the ridge of his nose appear curved, although it is not:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/752/shadowedjacobloshighgaman1.jpg
Here is the clear picture of Hanso from LostPedia:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:AlvarHansoProfile.jpg
If this is not Alvar Hanso, maybe it is Mangus Hanso. Assuming that the descendants would share common facial features.
Hey Jodiontop! Thanks for caring!! Everyone was SUPPOSED to go, "Who is it?! Who is it?!"
So even though y'all haven't asked - I'll tell you. It is Terence Stamp.
Don't say, "No it isn't." Because it IS!
If you say, "Whose Terence Stamp?" (Well... shame on you!) Terence Stamp is General Zod in Superman 2, also in Star Wars as Chancellor Valorum, also in Haunted Mansion (with Marsha Thomason who plays Naomi,) he was also in Alias (JJ Abrams' friend?)
It is most definitely without a doubt Terence Stamp. Spread the word and credit me! You heard it here first!
Here is a better photo of Hanso, where you can see that his head is a bit more curved under his thinning hair. Very similar to Jacob.
http://thehansofoundation.org/index.html#section=bios
It's Kelvin.
Ther is a cat on Jacob's shoulder! Maybe the one who was on the Flame Station?
Looks like a small doggie on his shoulder.....
Bogzilla, you could be right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kelvin%28lost%29.jpg
cocoasheraton --
I actually think that is a wonderful idea. It makes a lot sense.
Dammit people! Listen to me. Itis Terence Stamp. Not Locke. Not Joop. Not Kelvin. It is Terence Stamp.
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0357277/Ss/0357277/E-244.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Stamp,%20Terence
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0199753/6.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Stamp%2C%20Terence&seq=8
Tip: The BEST way to compare pictures of a human face is to turn the pictures upside down (rotate 180 degrees) and then look at them side by side. Our brains try too hard to see facial features, and not the whole image.
Does anyone remember that quote in the brainwashing video with the quote about "God loves you as He loved Jacob"...*ponders* connection? (Great site btw, can't believe I just found it!)
Funny thing is...it also looks like the father of Alex P. Keaton in that 80's show with Michael J. Fox...
I think his name is: Michael Gross
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1319/Mptv/1319/05419_0064.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0083413
actually look at his webpage..it looks EXACTLY like that shaddow guy:
http://members.aol.com/shadoemagic/mgross/
it is not a cat, dog, or monkey on his shoulder. he is wearing a flower, probably a hibisus, just like the flower in the picture in ben's house.
Well, that's just a thought.
I think Jacob is actually Magnus Hanso, former captain of the Black Rock, but he's called "Jacob" because he's been cursed by the crew who did a mutiny against him(such a crew could partially constitute "The Others").
He's now held prisoner by a kind of spell (this would explain the "ashs circle"), because he could have had ... well, let's say a different point of view than his crew's about the "what do we do know we are on this island?".
Ben could be the only one to see him as Alpert seemed to be "amazed" by Ben's vision of his mother, thus meaning he's a powerful man / mind.
Just a thought ...
What ? Should I stop watching Master and Commander ?
okay ...
I think the ashes are related to the flying black cloud we saw in earlier season.
I also think that reincornation theory might be true. Potentially people that are born or appear on the island are reincornation of the ones that die on it or about to die. Maybe that is why they are stealing kids and pregnant women.
Locke is a good guess for Jacob... I also think it might be Alpert. The nose and eyes have resemblance. But ut would be great to get ideway shots of Jacob, Locke, and Alpert... and maybe Ben too.
Re dog painting... the only other dog we saw in on the island belonged to that kid who left with his dad on a boat.
I have no clue who Jacob is, I have my ideas but i'm not 100% sure. The only thing I am sure of is that it is a monkey on his shoulder. It is a capuchin monkey, If you look closely you can see that the monkey is looking straight at the camera and you can make out the side of its face.
I agree with those who believe that it is Locke (or actually Terry O'Quinn) perhaps the Bad Twin theory...
It isn't a wig, it's a cloak... maybe just a joke or nod to all the Star Wars fans... since Jedi's and the emporor wore those holocaust cloaks. Darlton did say jacob is like the emporor of this show in comparison.
I am reading through all of these, and I think you all are crazy. I don't see any resemblence to Locke, Desmond, Kelvin, or anyone else. I swear I've looked at these pics about a million times. I'm just not seeing the resemblence!
Wow...
As someone who didn't need to read about seeing Jacob and seeing screencaps because my eyes actually work and I pay attention to what I watch... Seriously if you guys think that is actually Locke...you're insane.
Honestly there are better explanations rather than an evil twin or Locke in a different time line..or Locke with a wig.
His chin is also larger than Locke's. It's not a shadow making it look larger.
Also..I guess Locke bought a new voice along with his wig and pirates costume? XD
His clothes: Umm..look familiar? Sure. The Others wear them when they want to look shabby. They look JUST like the clothes they wear.
They have repeatedly said that everything has a scientific explanation.
Anyway... obviously it's not him and it's not the actor but I totally remembered Adam from Buffy when I saw him (when I was watching it the first time :) )
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/b/bb/Buffy-adam.jpg
lawl.
I can show you that LOCK is JACOB. How do I SEND my image?
Am I the only person who thinks that it is Brad Dourif?
Terence Stamp
Ok here's my theory, Jacob just appears the way you want him to and it was Jacob that appeared to Ben as a child in the form of his mother. Therefore to Locke he looks like someone else and maybe could even be directly tied to the smoke monster which causes visions too.
M Said: "Ben killed all of his ppl to join with Richard's, but became the leader because of his ability to see dead ppl and perhaps due to his help to exterminate the Dharmans. Now Jack's ppl are warring against Richard's ppl just like Dharmans were warring against them 30+ yrs ago. And everyone is running scared from the dead ppl. Thoughts?"
Seriously... if this ends up being a "Sixth Sense" knockoff, I'm writing to ABC asking for 6 years of my life back...
Even if we can explain WHO Jacob is, we cannot explain WHY he is invisible. NO OBJECT is ever truely invisible. There is no scientific explaination for this. IMHO, this addition to the bag of mysteries is a little bit "out there." I feel like I'm watching the freeking x-files.
I don't think it's Locke...
Check out this comparison.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28647395@N00/493089890/
Terence Stamp?! Nice try but no cigar. It is looks more like Judd Hirsch than Terence Stamp. And that's the spirit of Andy Kaufmann on his shoulder :p
Crazy ass theory: Jacob is God and Ben is Moses (but a failed Moses).
James, you'll see. It's Terence Stamp.
Just to be sure you know who that is... General Zod, Chancellor Vallorum...
It is totally Terence Stamp.
PLEASE stop saying it is Locke. We get the point already!! Many people think it is Locke. Now, at least TRY to fathom that it COULD be someone else and toss out a few other names - and I don't mean Christian or Alvar either.
Kris Kristofferson is the first person who popped into my head as well. That is, after I spent an hour looking for his damn name. Couldn't put his name to the face but had a mental image of who I was looking for.
I think something important to consider is the relationship of the names. There is a lot of symbolism in the names of the characters that references other things. Things I don't see as coincidental. John Locke is the name of a philosopher who believed in Tabula Rasa, or clean slate, meaning people are born without innate ideas. Jean ROUSSEAU was another philosopher who believed in such things. John Locke also notably believed in the right to rebellion among citizens.
Bibically, Benjamin is the son of Jacob. The biblical Ben was born on the side of the road, and his mother Rached died in childbirth (coincidence?!?! no). He was also the leader of a tribe that was split from The House of Joseph.
Jacob, now, is considered a man who "dwelled in tents" (significant of his aversion to technology?). He was a second born twin, and a deceiver (just things to consider for later). Jacob, later in life, saw a vision known as Jacob's Ladder, which signified the exiles that the Jewish people would suffer befure the coming of the Messiah (The suffering of the hostiles in regards to the Dharma Initiative?).
Now just to blow things COMPLETELY out of proportion, consider this. Jack is a nickname for Jacob. Jack's last name is Shepard, and Jesus, the Messiah, is known as a sheperd. Is Jack a messianic character, suffering with some struggle? We know he is struggling now and that in some upcoming episode he's gonna throw down (Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword.)
Just think about it
And all of that comes from Wikipedia
Maybe Ben can see dead people, like he saw his mom. And Jacob is a spirit on the island.